I would never call Rick Ruben a producer. He's at best, like an artist's facilitator. I have been a music producer for 45+ years. I play multiple instruments and I know how to work a studio inside out. This is why I get very frustrated with the AI nay sayers. They call people working with AI "phonies", but they never say ONE thing about the Estefans, the Timbalands, etc etc. These ppl don't play nothing, they know nothing of music. But they DO know how to hire desperate musicians as producers with these draconian contracts (I was offered one by none other that mr Emilio Estefan, which I rejected given the obscene level of draconian) so they can develop every melody they humm, so tthen, they can take ALL creative credit AND collect ALL the royalties (remember, the slave producers work on salary, under a contract and are ALL work for hire). Well, now, with SUNO, I have my own personal producer, who is well versed in every style, can make lyrics on the spot, doesn't have an ego and has ALL the patience in the world for only $20, if I want to pay the basics. As a producer, I think my craft will only get better with this tech.