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An Update and Improvements to the Community
It's been a year now since my life was turned upside down after 23 years of marriage. It was odd to spend my 23rd anniversary in a therapist's office not realizing it was only a few months away from everything falling apart rather than launching the next phase of the business I had been planning for years. Even more off to spend my 24th anniversary in a court room, after months of trying to survive and keep on top of an overwhelming amount of paperwork and changes, being self-represented and owning a business that I no longer had control over making everything infinitely more complicated. It's taken me longer to get back on my feet than anticipated, which I should've expected in hindsight. And now I'm having to move in order to help my aging parents. Besides being closer to my parents again and helping them out, this will also benefit me AND YOU a lot too. If I had stayed where I was, it would've still taken me months more to get everything moving that I've been planning for years. This move will allow me to start moving forward sooner rather than later. I'm truly excited about what the next few months will mean for finally moving Rock Singing Success to the next stage. COMMUNITY ROADMAP In the next few months, I have plans to do multiple things with this community to make it more engaging, helpful, and discoverable. The below is a bit of a roadmap that's still being refined. As soon as you get a chance, I could really use your feedback on what you would like to see in each of the following areas: 1. More Active Posting — I'm definitely ramping up my own posts after moving to my new place the beginning of next month. But I'm also considering bringing one of my junior/associate coaches more into the fold. Either way, this means much more regular posts, videos, and shorts, as well as possible challenges, group calls, etc from me and my team. What would you like to see? 2. About Page Overhaul — We'll be cleaning up and enhancing the About Page. The about page has long needed an overhaul to sell people on what this community actually does. As I explore updating my RockSingingLessons.com website with more of what sets me apart from other vocal coaches, I hope to also do more of that here. That means focusing more no showing the results I've helped people get, and sprinkling in my 35 years in production, songwriting, recording, mixing, mastering, performance, etc..., while still focusing on making YOU the hero of the story rather than myself. If you have ideas on what to say or not to say that you believe sets my instruction apart, please say so. I take criticism well, because I truly want to be authentic AND help you and people like you as much as I can.
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@Kenny Kendall Skool communities have the option to add paid tiers. I would still have everything as it is now as a free tier, and add a premium paid tier (charged monthly) for the new courses' access and more. I'll also be working with my business coach to figure out what the best option is for the coming Mastery program (whether VIP monthly or a more exclusive yearly enrollment).
Necessary Twang
I'm trying to make sure I know how to do necessary twang. This is NOT "distinct twang" that sounds very piercing and bright! This is "necessary twang." It is a technique that creates a constriction or restriction right near the bottom of the epilaryngeal funnel. Unlike distinct twang that has a raised larynx and a narrow, squeezed pharyngeal cavity, necessary twang can be done while keeping a neutral or low larynx and an expanded, wide pharyngeal cavity. What are some cues (like "imitate a certain sound") that will help me be able to figure how to do necessary twang? I hear that necessary twang is called necessary twang because it actually protects the vocal cords by shielding them, especially when singing with a lot of distortion! So, I think it would be very important to make sure I am doing it right.
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Cry handles this for you. Check out the video and description in this post again. The balance of lift and sob create the "necessary twang" configuration. This is different tthan twang vocal mode. But it's also a description from a a different pedagogy (CVT), rather than Estill's physical qualities or the TVS vocal mode I teach that combined CVT acoustics with Estill physical qualities.
The Secret to Effortless Singing is Cry Vocal Mode
Because of how important Cry is for singing, how often it comes up, and how pretty much all our vocal training is about building better command and control over CRY, I made a quick video about it with some of the new ways I've been teaching it this year. As a vocal mode, the combination of physical and acoustic positioning, Cry has tow main parts: 1. Lift, float, or top-down whimper into the desired sound color from front to back of the mouth (the acoustic mode spectrum: edging, neutral, curbing). The edgier or more forward the position, the higher the larynx wants to move, also narrowing the vocal passage and AES into twang, making the voice ring brighter and project more easily. The thing to watch out for is constricting vertically, which can choke off of the vocal passage. 2. Sob physical quality (as Estill termed it) slightly dampens/relaxes the larynx (not necessarily neutral, but not moving too much), opens the throat, widen the pharynx (feeling like opening or expanding the vocal tract, relaxing vocal production overall, and adding darker harmonics. The thing to watch out for is opening too much and it sounding too operatic, emo, or dopey. Lift and sob together create an open and more effortless feeling in the vocal tract while singing that we call Cry vocal mode. Cry balances the two, helping you get the best of both. This means more effortless vocal fold adduction because medial compression is more passive—like how a stretched rubber band can hold something in the middle, but it's not from directly applying pressure to the middle.
The Secret to Effortless Singing is Cry Vocal Mode
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@To the Sun Cry IS singing. "like a yawn, almost like I'm depressing the base of my tongue or trying to half swallow it." That's definitely the sob side of cry. "Hyoid Pull" is a term to describe the feeling you get when narrowing the vocal tract, the slight muscle tension right above the larynx that's mainly caused by slight larynx dampening, and secondarily from the arytenoids flexing, possibly thirdly from glottal compression. Essentially, it's a term that I use to describe when there's any tension in that area.
Bleeding Air Grit
I've heard this term used by you. I think you said it is the most commonly used grit and that it has a smoother sound than compression based grit. I have a few questions about it: Since it is a smoother sound, it it probably used in more melodic rock and metal and not used in something like deathcore? Here's my main question: Since it relies on just what the name suggests, "bleeding air" from the glottis, does that mean it cannot work if you are using perfect vocal cord closure because only "poor vocal cord closure" (in standard contexts) means letting air leak through the cords, since the closure isn't that good and as a result, you can get a whispery sort of sound, even if it's a harsh whisper? I ask that because it's my understanding that one of the main purposes of good cord closure is to prevent a whispery sound since that dries out the throat so much. If my assumption is wrong and you use as good cord closure as in clean singing for bleeding air grit, then if the vocal cords are closed nicely, how does air "bleed' from the glottis?
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It's a term I use in my Extreme Singing Course (which I'm working on moving over to this community). It's a general term for uncompressed overlay distortion. Distortion is 3 main ingredients: Acoustics, Compression, Constriction (like Tex-Mex being 3 ingredients no matter how you cook it—tortilla, meat, shredded cheese). Of course that requires a good balance of sub-glottal pressure to, bracing your core or lower-ribs like squeezing a tube of toothpaste so that the pressure coming through the opening is consistent and controlled. When you are in a good cry position, you have great vocal fold adduction (as described in this other post). You also have a perfect symmetry of harmonics. When you bleed a little air from the glottis, you introduce chaos and start saturating the harmonics—adding a LOT more, which we hear as distortion. Granted, just adding air will cause the volume to drop, so the added harmonics make it sound like we're just whispering loudly. Or, perhaps if you close your eyes and imagine yourself as a rockstar in front of 10K screaming fans, it sounds like a poor imitation of a cheering crowd. That's where constriction comes in. When we add a lowered larynx /uh/ sound it elongates the vocal tract, bringing in the side walls or constricting horizontally, which also brings the false folds closer. This not only funnels and amplifies the chaotic and saturated resonance into a less airy sound, it also makes the false fold go crazy, which quickly adds lower harmonics too (more gritty sounds). You're right in that the vocal tract can get dry and irritated from this extra air, and the false folds are getting the brunt of it. It takes time to build conditioning for your body to handle doing distortion for longer and longer periods without drying out, irritation, or overcompensating with extra mucus and the like. This is one of the main reasons I focus so much on only "touching" distortion rather than just turning it on full blast. The other reason being that distortion often sound MUCH harsher than it feels, so only touching on it is often plenty.
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@Kenny Kendall Yes, and more. Concerning vocal fold adduction specifically, it's a looser adduction (the closure itself) along with release of compression (the force of closure) while simultaneously increasing sub-glottal pressure so that extra air "bleeds" or leaks out. For the more compressed distortion configurations, the air is forced through compression.
Mucus buildup after distortion
I wrote about this at the end of the mile long thread about cry shape but I feel like the subject is something to discuss on its own. So essentially the question is, does other people have this mucus buildup after doing distortions even though while singing it feels relaxed and good. I think the hardest part in this whole whole distortion stuff is that you have to kind of sound intense and be relaxed at the same time. I feel like after very good warm-ups and like some some kind of simple runs up and down with distortions I can get it pretty relaxed but usually there is some tension before I get to that point. Sometimes the relaxation comes after one or two songs that sing and then it's easy to do after that. Still the biggest issue at the moment is that after I sing two or three songs I get this kind of mucus build up in larynx after half an hour when I've stopped singing and I feel like there are some gaps in the range because of the mucus. I do get it back if I do some extra warm-ups to get rid of the mucus, but I'm not sure if it's because of straining my voice or just being used to the distortion feelings. It just feels a bit concerning when you don't have your full range available, but the voice is always fully recovered in the morning next day. Could the small amount of grinding before finding the relaxed shape be the cause of this irritation or am I just going at it too hard even though it feels really good and not strained while singing? I'm super into singing Avenged Sevenfold songs at the moment which are not easy range wise or distortion wise. So that might be the cause of strain 😅 but still I feel really relaxed when I get the distortion relaxed and there's no strain range wise either except in some songs. It's just so hard to stop after one or two songs when it's so fun and feels good 😁 When thinking of support for me, it feels like higher distortion is much easier and less strenuous and doesn't seem to need that much support. The lower range distortion feels like there's a narrower sweet spot where there is no grinding and there's enough push and support. What I noticed up high is that I need a lot more support to sing quieter. Singing loud is easy but seeing quiet is feels like there has to be much more control so I don't know which one is better.
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I address this some in my comment under Kenny's post about Bleeding Air Grit. The main things to consider is a lower larynx, airy /uh/ while also bracing the core for subglottal pressure (rather than just upping your throttle). Conditioning also takes time. I describe it in more detail there.
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