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How to get your first Check
An excerpt from last week's VIP that I felt was important to share with everyone! How to get your first check/increase customers and bring in cash from the FOUNDATION of business.
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Good stuff. Doing what you find really interesting/exciting and getting paid = gold One day hoping to be in that raising prices as time becomes scarce
Second Brain: Nodes & Edges by Jake
Hey there, have you ever seen a month ago this short from Jake on youtube regarding how he built a Second Brain with Nodes & Edges? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aCtEdO4BGlY That makes sense to me but I am having hard time to really put my head around how to start building my own 2nd Brain. Anyone having such experience? how to really kick start ? create the company structures , then the gov.md files , then dump everything in a data lake and ask Claude to start building the brain? Much appreciate any comment.
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To me the high level look down at what are we trying to do/organize here. Working with the AI by interview to get a good understanding of what the buckets/processes are. The structure can then be built and rules put in place on the bare bones. So as things enter the basic rules are in place and they can be tweaked as new things come up. Then from there a 'conversion' process into the new structure.
What's your biggest Aha moment with ICM 🤯
small thing that suddenly made the whole system make sense. ❓ A few prompts if it helps: ❓ - What were you doing before ICM that you don't do anymore? - What broke (or clicked) that made you actually get it? - What would you tell someone who's read the paper but still isn't "getting it" — like Ali's post a few days ago? Drop it below, even if it's one sentence.
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@John Mesa I had to do this conversion from a mess to a proper folder structure. It is why I am pushing for people to do it sooner rather than later. I have a kit that helps them get setup and port things over into the new structure. To me this is the foundation that anybody using cowork or code should do, even if they are not technical and don't want to learn ICM.
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I stopped letting stuff go to random places. Now everything goes to a place I know about and has a structure behind it. Getting organized and having a proper memory system is the key for me. I would not want to go back.
Been here for some time
Hey Clief Notes fam! 👋 I'm Ali, been here for some time, read the ICM paper, watched Jake's videos and I love them. But I have yet to get it. I feel that for many use cases we don't need an agent whether using ICM methodology or any other way to build agents. ICM seems to be a simple idea but is hard to explain and everyone is trying to explain it (like monad tutorials). I guess I am not getting it because as Jake often says in his shorts and videos "You don't need all of that", I haven't tried that "that" that I am still unable to get it.
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The number one use I think everyone probably has is a knowledge base built on a proper folder structure. I am sick of the Second brain naming and calling it more a memory layer that is needed.
I'm giving away my OS map. The map was never the moat.
You built an agentic OS. So did the person three seats over. And when you put your architecture next to theirs, the shapes rhyme. Folders for clients. A governing layer up top. Named agents doing scoped work. An orchestrator routing it all. That's not a coincidence and it's not theft. It's convergence. Builders with no access to my internal architecture keep arriving at doctrine I already wrote down. One builder reasons their way to belief over prompting. Another builder names an agent and discovers that's the hook for giving it a soul. And another builds a routing gate to protect the signal. Different vantages, same destination. None of them copied me. They solved the same problem in their own org and ended up in the same place. I used to find that mildly surprising. Not anymore. Because if a stranger reinvents the doctrine without ever seeing it, the doctrine isn't clever positioning I invented. It's just how this actually works. Convergence is the proof that it's true. Which tells me the map was never the moat. If people can rebuild a system from a screenshot of a folder tree, then handing over the clean version costs me nothing and proves the point. So here it is. An outline of the AgencyOS map is attached to this post. Layers, agent roster, sample folder structure, and tool integrations. Take the shape. Start at Layer 1, not Layer 3. The agents are the fun part, so that's where everyone wants to start. The leverage is upstream. The belief layer governs everything the agents produce. Mine didn't come from a build sprint. It started forming in late 2023, with these ideas spoken aloud on a podcast, before any AI was in the picture. Then I spent over a year encoding that conviction into a system. Then I found ICM and ported it over. I'm still refining it. An agent I can spin up in 15 minutes. The belief layer took years because it had to exist before the machine did. Build the workforce on top of nothing and you get a fast machine with no conviction. And the belief layer is the one thing on that map you can't take from me. I can't take yours from you. You can copy the folders. You can copy the agent names. But you cannot copy what I believe into your system. I can go into my AI and ask it "what do I believe?" and it returns my truth. If you load my doctrine and ask the same question, you get what I believe. Not what YOU believe.
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Grabbed the map when you posted it and finally sat with it properly this week. Good bones. My build didn't converge with yours though, and I think the reason matters. Mine came out knowledge base shaped, mostly because it started as one. Before any of the rest existed it was a wiki where I captured what I trusted from people ahead of me, subject by subject, with a charter on top. Client work arrived later and slotted in as its own layer without taking the place over. The coding projects carry their own rules inside their own folders. The knowledge base stayed the center. I do have workflows, but they live out at the edges as skills sitting next to the work they run. Nothing workflow-shaped made it into the governing layer. Your map reads the opposite way to me, the pipeline right under the belief layer and everything serving it. So maybe some of the convergence you're seeing is origin rhyming with origin. Systems born doing client throughput grow a pipeline spine. Mine was born as a library, and everything since has had to fit around the library. Your Layer 1 point survived the different shape though, and that's the interesting part. I read the Worldview Engineering piece before commenting. Your dig site was your archive. Seventy-five episodes and a decade of client calls, and the AI surfaced doctrine you'd been enforcing without naming it. I didn't have an archive like that. Mine surfaced from logging every spot I rewrote what the AI drafted before I'd let it go out under my name. Each rewrite is a belief showing itself. A few months of those logs and the system answers "what do I believe" in my words, with receipts. Same excavation, different ground. Yours needs a back catalog. Mine only needs you to keep catching the machine being slightly wrong about you, which also means I couldn't have done the belief work before turning the machine on. Half of mine only exists because the machine ran first. Curious if anyone else building off the map ended up with their center of gravity somewhere other than the pipeline, or if I'm the outlier here.
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