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Sweden a self-financing State
A new report, forensically analysing the flow of payments in Sweden has come to the conclusion: ● Sweden is a self-financing state.● Taxes do not finance the Swedish state.● The Swedish state does not borrow Swedish kronor from the private sector. Our report shows this by expanding on the description by FSPOS (the Financial Sector's Private-Public Cooperation forum) in their report “Swedish Payment Flows – How they work” of how payments to and from the state actually are performed. The report also makes reference to Swedish law, as well as to publications and web pages of Riksbanken, the national Debt Office (Riksgäldskontoret) and the Financial Management Authority (Ekonomistyrningsverket). Together these sources clearly show that state spending creates money, that taxes do not finance the state, and that the state does not borrow Swedish kronor from the private sector. https://www.mmtforsverige.se/rapporter
1 like • Mar '25
@Jon Underwood you continue to fixate on the CB creation of a liability yet ignore reality the CB IS THE GOVERNMENT. Its the same thing, they are NOT separate. They only do it like this because "reasons"...not because its needed, but to keep up the pretense of "borrowing" to meet stupid arbitrary rules & fantasy picture of how the system works. Its all smoke-and-mirrors to keep up appearances.
1 like • Mar '25
@Jon Underwood Apologies for being intermittent, however for context, I am in a different timezone to you, I work full time, am currently in the middle of a Masters of Economics Program, and have an essay due in 2 weeks. I comment in the small windows of opportunity that come around from time to time.
I got it! The "Government budget spends money already sloshing around in the system" Theory
GSM-ASA for short, instead of MMT modern monetary theory. Many thanks to @Demetrios Gizelis @Richard Corin @Jon Underwood @Marcus Champ The government makes a budget every year with outgoings for police and social security and stuff. And as income, postulates - guesses- how much tax will be paid during the same calendar period. Day one of the budget starts, and the government instructs the treasury *or whatever department deals with payments, to pay out from the account at the central bank. As money is coming on from taxes, a lot in January, the amount is paid out. Where do taxes come from? Economic activity of ordinary citizens However, next month, taxes are slow coming in. The treasury* needs to BORROW. how does it do that? Issue bonds. The treasury prints the sum on a nice paper, a bank or otherwise certified lender dips into their coffers and pays the amount to the treasury*, gets the paper instead. Now. Where did the bank get that money? From profits. Where did the profits come from? From offering services like lending and making a profit on them? From whom did the profits come? Ordinary citizens. What will banks get from lending the money? Dividend. So - correct me if I am wrong about this theory - the government, to pay its already budgeted (i.e. agreed outgoings) borrows money from banks - paying them a dividend every month - money that banks have got by making profits on services to ordinary citizens. So - correct me if I am wrong - banks make profit on money transactioning two times. I love this theory it is really neat. But it also says that - as citizens are going to pay one way or another - that it might be better to skip private banks altogether as they don't seem to add much value? Citizens are going to pay the budget via taxes, better to do that directly than have these banks as middle men.
1 like • Mar '25
@Stephen Hinton No the system is not quite what has been described, but have already tried that argument, so not going to prosecute it again here. Yes Banks (and the wealthy) profit endlessly from various subsidies Government dishes out and the stupidly and unnecessarily complex financial system we have to hide the fundamental truth that's its not needed. Arguably the biggest subsidy of all is Bonds, and specifically the high interest rates stamped on them, which is literally a hand out of free money to rich people. Because "reasons", very few of which are valid.
0 likes • Mar '25
@Stephen Hinton noting point1 is parroting the mainstream economic view on Government funding, which is also not reflected in the Rebel Economist course material.
At a loss to understand government borrowing
The article from BBC seems to explain it all. https://bbc.com/news/business-50504151 Spend first, claw back in tax. However, we all know that once the budget is agreed, the account at the central bank can open. But does it only have a month's worth of money in it? This so e.g January's tax back pays February's outgoing cash flow wise, and covers January's outgoings accounting wise? If you get the national account loaded with the ability to pay out during the year cash flow would look dodgy only at the end of the year. So why have to borrow throughout the year? Why hold back on money already decided? Any experts out there understand what is going on? I asked Richard Murphy about why Sweden borrows for every month and he said they do it because they are under a delusion. The gov debt office with 500.employees! Help me out @Demetrios Gizelis ?
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@Jon Underwood ah, no...you state Gov "always borrows before spending"...the accounting itself clearly shows that's an illusion and recent experience from the pandemic reinforces that. That is NOT agreement. Alan clearly states "nothing to prevent the federal Government from creating as much money it wants and paying it to somebody..." Pretty clear what he is saying, especially when the mechanism is by creating a liability in Fed account. Which is the Government. The Government creates a liability to itself to match its credit...to itself. Not hard. Debt ceiling is purely an administrative technicality broken on a whim for whatever reason by whoever elects to ignore it. That's NOT a good example of ANYTHING other than how stupid politics can be.
1 like • Mar '25
@Jon Underwood ah no, you are not just ignoring what I have said but reality as well. Good luck with that. Might just leave this one here for others such as @Demetrios Gizelis @Stephen Hinton @Richard Corin and for posterity as well. For clarity what Ben is describing is VERY stupid policy, but sheds light on how the system works. Noting once again for everyone's benefit (even Jon), the Central Bank is the Government. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDQOIkPwgvI
John Hearn explains why MMT is wrong!
Milton Friedman, the archbishop of monetarism, in his influential article “The Methodology of Positive Economics” argued that an economic theory is not to be judged by the realism of its assumptions but only by its predictive power. In this video “Professor” Hearn thinks that he’s destroying MMT by arguing that it has to be false because its assumptions are unrealistic. Here we’re dealing with an advocate of monetarism who’s attacking MMT on the ground that it’s founded on wrong assumptions! Irrespective of this methodological inconsistency, I wonder how seriously can someone take this person when he fails to understand that MMT only describes the operation of a contemporary fiat monetary system, and as such does not rely on any type of assumptions? If you listen to this junk, then throw it in the trash bin 🚮 https://youtu.be/QcIeZuatxnA?si=d_dm-xwyZG9tkiem
1 like • Mar '25
@Jon Underwood Putting aside the bluster and other comments, I have addressed this in a different thread.
1 like • Mar '25
@Jon Underwood as any objective person would note, the references supplied (and yes I have read them all thanks for claiming otherwise) were the FIRST part to answering the question. Intent was to go on from there...all moot now given developments in other threads.
Quantitative Easing and Proposals for Reform of Monetary Policy Operations
In this article MMT economists Scott Fullwiler and L. Randall Wray explain the role of Quantitative Easing as a potent tool of monetary policy, the efficacy of fiscal policy vs monetary policy, accountability issues regarding the activities of the Treasury vs those of the Fed, and proposals for reform of monetary policy. For anyone interested in gaining some useful understanding of these general monetary issues, I think it’s worth the while spending time to studying it. https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_645.pdf
1 like • Feb '25
Both Scott Fullwiler and Randall Wary are amongst the most knowable people on the planet when it comes to monetary operations, with an extensive list of publications and books between them. Good choice, highly recommended.
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