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Gemini (without API key) with ICM - Help needed
Hello smart people of the internet, Previously I asked about how you might use ICM without using Claude. There were some awesome answers, particularly about some closed/narrow options like copilot. I'm looking to utilize Gemini in the same manner where I can build/share a templated system with other people within the team. We are using the "walled garden" personal Gemini (pro license) which means that it's not easy to use outside of the Gemini . google .com portal. Access to API keys are off the table (thanks IT) so I cant use a limited free tier. So far I've tried - using Gemini code assistant via VS Code - I can connect, however it seems to immediately forget the instructions and constantly wants me to attach a MD file manually (and only one seems to be able to be added). - Use Gemini "Gem" which is kind of ok, but we're then looking at the near perfected product to then share. A gem allows context window to prefilled and up to 10 documents to be attached. It won't write back to itself so you will have to constant update it manually. Thanks for anyone providing suggestions or actual guides on how this might be achieved. Ideal outcome is not manually updating files.
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@Tobias Fransson Hey Tobias, thanks for the reply. The claude.md or agents.md quickly gets lost with the code assistant :). At first it understands basics....even then I'm not confident it follows anything further. I will use the gDrive idea as you both have suggested Thanks for the help
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Seems it are incredibly creative at blocking access. Although Gemini portal will help with app script , it won't actually use icm to read or write. It will just give scripts to paste into icm app script to create the bones......but won't use it Will dig in more....I will not break!!! FYI google cli was blocked ...or any outside authentication is blocked for my g account
Running an icm style file tree on gemini without an api key
Someone here has been trying to run an icm shaped system on gemini bc IT wont hand out api keys, and hit the wall where gemini code assist in vs code forgets the instructions and only takes one md file, and a Gem holds ten docs but cant write back to itself. gemini cli is the piece that closes this. u sign in with a google account over oauth, no api key involved at all, and the free tier is 60 requests a minute and 1000 a day. the reason it matters for icm specifically is that it loads context files hierarchically, the same shape the methodology assumes. it reads ~/.gemini/GEMINI.md, then the GEMINI.md at ur project root, then ones sitting in subfolders, and merges them in that order. u can pull other markdown into a context file with @path/to/file.md, so ur tree stays a tree instead of one pasted blob. /memory show prints the combined context that actually loaded, which is how u verify it rather than hoping. /memory refresh re-scans after u edit. and it writes back to disk, which is the bit a Gem cant do. for sharing with the team it just becomes the repo. they clone it, they get the same context files, nobody is hand maintaining a Gem. one honest caveat, the free oauth tier is tied to a personal google account, so if ur work account is locked down u would be putting work context thru a personal login. worth clearing that with IT first instead of finding out later.
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hmm, I missed the ~/.gemini/GEMINI.md, piece. I will def install google cli and see if I can route gemini.md to agents.md as I did claude.md Thank you sharing!!
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ICM without Claude
Hi everyone, First-time poster here. I'm looking to understand how others in the community are using the Interpretable Context Methodology (ICM) without relying on Claude Code. I've been actively building personal projects on my home setup, and every day has been a great learning experience using this folder-and-markdown architecture. However, I've hit a roadblock at work. I develop data analytics and business intelligence workflows, and we have a strict constraint: we cannot use Claude. I'm curious how others integrate Jake's ICM framework when Claude Code isn't an option. Are you using tools like Aider, Cursor, or other terminal agents BR Paul Update - Some people are already using non-Claude setup. If you could kindly explain/illustrate how you do this, I would be very grateful.
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@Sergey Manevitch agree with @Colm Whelan and @Jake Van Clief . I would love a clear tutorial from anyone about their setup. The Claude code way of life is well documented, but I struggle with implementing any other ecosystem. My company is/was using copilit M365. My option is that it's a good teams note taker.....and that's it. Making projects end to end I struggle with copilot. Gemini is the next bet from my company.....but I have API keys disabled....again, anyone out there with a tutorial specifically for this would be great :)
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@Kleo Rem thanks for the info. I too am using vs code for a while. For your setup are using terminal windows or extensions for your lllm of choice. Looking at some of the responses I wish I had added a request for how you do it in your setups. I'm eager to learn
ICM deterioration
Hi community. I just Wondered whether anyone else has come across this issue: I created a complete repo using the ICM structure, it's an agency style business. I've attached a pic of generally what my repo looks like. For the first few weeks it was working really great. I was able to ask it to generate invoices and proposals and contracts and by and large it was deterministic in nature just following the instructions from the context.md files as expected. But then I started to notice a deterioration in the output. And what would happen is if I wanted to add a custom item for let's say a proposal or an invoice, it would then start updating the config files and changing the workflow. Previous templates that were set up as desired were subtly changing over time as I was making requests for particular clients or particular contracts to include particular clauses. And now I'm in a situation where I feel like I'm correcting things more than I should be and my productivity is getting impacted. It seems like the integrity of my framework has deteriorated. I'm obviously a little bit cautious and worried about having to rework my entire repo, but I'm wondering if anybody has experienced this issue themselves and what steps, if any, they have put in to create some guardrails around this. I also feel like over time it's probably helpful to have a workflow that just cleans house full of clutter and unwanted files that tend to materialize over time as I work on the business. Any ideas, thoughts, or input much appreciated. Thank you.
ICM deterioration
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so as a general question, do you have a routine you follow to check if you're hitting bloat? I saw from another member that they used the ICM architect to audit their setup. I have just done this after migrating projects already but I can see I was not rigorous enough
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