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17 contributions to The Bread & Butter Way
Milling Grain: Newbie with questions
What milling grinder do you use and how would you rate it? Where did you purchase? Pros and Cons. Why do you mill? What grains do you mill? Anything else I should know? Thank you.
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Hard red berries are the most common and the easiest to find locally for us. Natural food stores that have bulk sections usually carry them. Otherwise you can get them on Amazon. There are better sources when you're ready to go all in. I have two yeast sandwich bread recipes that I really like. I'm working on finding a sourdough favoritest... I'll get the links, if I can include them here.
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@Terri Rosett I can't post links. The first bread I made was the Simple Yeast Bread from Grains and Grit. It's a favorite. I've made it many times in multiple forms, such as dinner rolls and hamburger buns. I also repeatedly make the 1-hour Sandwich Loaf by Robyn on the Farm. I'm now looking for that favorite soft sourdough loaf to go with them!
Ask your BBW Coaching Call questions here
Ask your questions here about sourdough starter, sourdough dough, any of the course breads, things that you want to learn more about. Then join us in the BBW Coaching Call Wednesdays 11 AM central live on zoom (link is in the calendar for premium members). Replays will be available so if you’re not able to attend, we will answer your question in the call. . And if you are new here and have a lot of questions, go to the classroom > go to “Your First Loaf” course> start here.
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@Sandra Brenes These were hard red in the dough because I am out of hard white. The discard had hard red and soft white and whatever I had to feed it on any given day.
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@Sandra Brenes An update on the hoagies. The dough never rose much from what you see in the bowl. I had it on the counter for more than six hours after the stretch and folds. I left it in the fridge all night. I haven't had a chance yet to do anything with it today. My first loaf rose above the bowl but this one is doing almost nothing, even though my starter was at peak. I combined a fresh milled recipe with a sourdough recipe in attempt to make one that would work for me. I forgot to add a bit of yeast. I will look at your recipes for my next attempt!
Death of a starter. ☠️
Today is Day 2 of Take 2 on my starter. I believe I killed my 1st starter. It didn't do anything for a week. I fed and discarded daily. It looked weird and I was not sure about the smell. May it rest in peace. ☠️ Day 2 on starter 2! It is looking so much better then the 1st starter at this point. Has a nice smell to it. 🤞 that this one's a keeper!
Death of a starter. ☠️
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@Karen Marcy I heard someone say today (in a podcast episode on sourdough) that once you get a starter going, the bacteria become a part of your kitchen. So subsequent starters are easier. Perhaps some of your starter #1 lives on in #2. They also said that if you buy a starter or are given one, someone tested theirs, and any trace of the bacteria from the original source was gone within days. So the idea of old or ancient starters containing parts of history may not be true. Like the cells of our bodies renew themselves every seven years, the living bacteria in a starter also renews itself. I don't know if these things are true, but they're interesting to think about.
First sourdough pizza crust not as good
I made pizza yesterday. Of course I forgot to take a picture! But the crust wasn't as light and fluffy as the fresh-milled yeast crust that I make that wows us every time. I let the dough rest and rise for eight hours before baking, as the recipe suggested, and it hit the lid I put over the bowl around hour seven. I guess I'll use plastic wrap next time! Sourdough seems to rise way better than yeast bread, but that may be because I'm giving it more time. I did add a smidge of yeast along with the starter again. I prefer hard white wheat for pizza but all we have right now is red. Could that be a reason for the difference? How do I get my sourdough crust to be more light and fluffy? Should I just play around with different recipes until one produces the results I'm looking for?
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@Terri Rosett I finished the first loaf class and joined the membership! 🎉🥖
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@Sandra Brenes Where can I find your recipes? I'm looking for egg-free hoagies. Can I just leave out the egg if a recipe calls for one?
No/Low Rise
Today's ball of dough consists of 240g water (28°C), and 90g starter mixed together. I then added 375g flour, and mixed until the flour was damp before adding 7.5g salt. I mixed slow in a stand mixer to build up some gluten. The temperature of the dough was 26.4°C at 11AM when I covered it and put it into my warm cabinet. Then I fed my leftover 10g of starter with 45g flour and 45g water, and placed it into the same cabinet. The starter more than doubled in 7 hours. The water is all the same filtered water. The flour is all from the same container. There's a higher ratio of starter to flour/water in the ball of dough than in the jar of starter, yet the dough shows no action, or rise. Here's a photo (fork for scale) of the dough after 11 hours. There was no rise in the bowl. I turned it out onto the counter just this once. It has decent gluten (stretches to see-through), but no bubbles. I stretched it out just this once, then folded and rolled it, just to get a good look. It's now back in to the warm cabinet, which has been between 26.8°C and 27.2°C all day. Does anyone have any thoughts on what's going on here? I'm happy to leave it there all day tomorrow if needed. I don't want to put it into the fridge until it's actually doing something that looks like growth.
No/Low Rise
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@Sandra Brenes Oh interesting. I didn't know about added ingredients and kneading. I enjoyed making my first loaf because it didn't require me to use my mixer. But the tougher texture hurts my jaw so I prefer to make soft bread for myself. Family and friends like the harder crust though.
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Cheryl Hulseapple
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Baking with home-ground flour for a few months, and now incorporating sourdough. I love seeing people get excited about delicious, healthy food.

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Joined Sep 11, 2026
Schenectady, NY
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