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Question regarding paint mixing and matching
Recently, I sprayed the inside of the doors and underside of the hood of my 1986 F150 project truck. It's shadow blue metallic, ford paint code 7B. Back in 2013, I took it to a guy who was going to paint it for me, but he wound not being able to finish the project. I had forgotten that he had purchased paint for the project, and after 13 years, I had forgotten about it, too. It's been in a climate controlled environment since the truck came home, back in 2014. Recently, in preparation for paint the truck myself, I purchased 2 gallons of paint and reducer (same brand as before) and sprayed the underside of the hood and inside of the doors. I know it's just paint, but I was overthinking, and wondered if the older paint was still any good if I ran short, so I put it on the paint shaker for a while and then popped the clips off and opened the first can. There was no sludge in the bottom, so this morning, I sprayed a test panel with the same black sealer as the doors and hood, and then a couple coats of clear. Soooo.... My question for the group, should I mix the 2 older gallons with the 2 newer gallons, or just a couple quarts of older paint with the new paint to make sure I have plenty in case of having to respray something? Would the color change between the inside of the doors and the rest of the truck be noticeable enough to require those to be scuffed and resprayed? I am going to have to fix a screwup on one door anyway, so respraying it wouldn't be any more trouble. What do you guys think? Opinions, advice, suggestions welcome.
Question regarding paint mixing and matching
1 like • 3d
I’d keep the old and new base coat separate. If the old base sprays and dries normally I’d use it for your initial coverage coats, then finish with the new base after any nib sanding or other finesse is done. Use it as a ground coat to bring the base close to the final color. It looks like the two colors are pretty different; if you're happy with the new color I'd go with that as the final few coats of basecoat. Above all else - don’t assume one final coat of new paint will establish the color fully; it needs sufficient coverage and multiple coats for full coverage most likely. Just my two cents. Mixing everything together would also work, but 4 gallons of paint is a lot, and I feel you'll have extra once you're done.
0 likes • 5h
@Ron Bell Glad it's working out! Both ways work - the important thing here is you're making progress 😎
Starting my big project
Thanks for the add. Just found the YT channel and have been watching some videos. They have been a great resource and picked up a few tricks. This part is the trunk lid and you can see stripes on camera but not with the naked eye. Whats up with that?
Starting my big project
1 like • 16h
@John Trent That video helps a lot! This looks like a tricky color with the intensity of the effects in the basecoat. I think what you're seeing is some mottling and tiger striping. If you wanted to fix it, I'd carefully sand everything down, put down a layer of intercoat clear (untinted bascoat) as a good foundation, and then a few more coats of basecoat, followed by a re-clear. That being said, nothing wrong with putting it all together and enjoy what you've done so far! My first basecoat/clearcoat paint job had all sorts of flaws like this, and I was happy enough with it for the first few years, until I got tired of it and tore it all down again and re-did my old work. As @Randy Sizemore said moiré could be the culprit on the videos, but if you see it with your eyes and a light in the dark, then chances are, it's not. Cheap quality LED lights will also cause banding on videos as well which can cause issues, but those bands will extend past the edges of your panel in photos/videos which makes them easy to spot and rule them out as paint defects. The important thing is learning as you go! Thanks for sharing
0 likes • 9h
@John Trent Looks better out in the sun - I'd leave it as is and enjoy it for a while!
Optex Super Build 4:1 Polyester Primer Surfacer
Anyone have experience with this Primer? It's supposedly a hybrid Epoxy Polyester primer. Before joining Make it Match, I purchased a gallon of this stuff for my current build (Fiberglass body dune buggy). I just read through the classroom section on primers and learned that Polyester may not be the best primer to use on Fiberglass. Looking at the TDS, it does include Fiberglass in the substrates its suitable for. Would love to know your thoughts @Aaron Jokela and I apologize for the number of questions lately. Seems that every Saturday I have other commitments that I can't join the weekly call. BTW TDS sheet link is here
1 like • 1d
I think Optex should work okay on your project - another primer you might consider would be duratec vinylester primer, like this: https://hawkeyeind.com/product/duratec-vinyl-ester-primer/ That being said, the biggest thing is just to make sure the activator is within date as they tend to go bad over time. Hope this helps!
1 like • 15h
@Randy Sizemore All polyester based primers are going to be difficult to sand, but that's kind of the point. They're excellent at leveling and defect removal, but that comes at the cost of hardness. Using the right sand paper and techniques helps (starting with coarser grits and stepping up from there) but there will be a fair amount of worked involved either way. In the end though, it's worth it! (in my opinion) I've used polyester on plenty of projects, especially old corvettes. This was a before and after of one of my favorites to date
Grit guide to sanding body filler in classroom
@Aaron Jokela I just finished reading in the classroom the section on grit guide for filler. At the end of the section you have outlined steps and grits for various stages and I wanted a little clarification. I copied this directly from the text on the page so I wouldn’t get it wrong. Metal Prep for Epoxy 1. Media Blast: Glass bead or similar. 2. Cleaning: Red Scotch Brite with metal cleaner (USC 1240-1 or UPOL 2002 or Glasurit 360-4 or similar). 3. 150 Grit: D/A. 4. 80 Grit: D/A. My assumption is that the numbers are the order in which you work through the process and I get why you’d start with media blasting, but why would you use a 150 grit in step 3 and follow that with and 80 grit in step 4. That is contrary to everything that was discussed about sanding fillers directly above.
1 like • 3d
Great question - that was a type-o on my part. It should be 80 Grit: D/A. followed by 120 Grit: D/A. This is directly pulled from the epoxy primers I use the most - Lesonal Epoxy Primer - and what the manufacturer, Akzo Nobel, recommends. Hope this helps, cheers
Question on slow reducers
We all know what can happen if we use a reducer that is too fast for our environment. It sets up too fast, the base doesn't have time to flow out, blah-blah-blah. But are there any detriments to the base coat for using too slow a reducer? I'm not talking about bugs flying in, or dust having a chance to settle in, or a boss saying, "Get that *&^%$#@ car out of the booth!" I'm curious about the base coat itself. Assume "perfect" conditions. I'm in a hermetically-sealed spray booth, held at a constant 75*F. No dust, no hairs, etc. Just me, my paint gun, my base coat, and a reducer for an 85*F setting. In this environment, is there anything "bad" about using a slow reducer?
1 like • 6d
While the basecoat will be smoother, depending on the color, putting the basecoat on too thick can result in metallic pooling and, ultimately, the color not being correct. The easiest way around this is to wait for the base to flash off, and then put down a control/drop coat. All that aside, clearing before the base has adequately flashed can cause other problems like die back, solvent pop, and de-lamination (in extreme cases). The easiest way to tell if it's ready? The base shouldn't be tacky, and there shouldn't be much gloss to it once the solvents have flashed off. Interesting question!
0 likes • 5d
It'll cause issues sometimes with the basecoat de-laminating from the primer or sealer underneath, but usually, if the primer is good quality and fully bonded to the steel, the base might peel, but the primer/sealer will stay attached. Is the hood on your Ranchero peeling to bare metal? Just curious. Even to this day, lots of people use 1k lacquer primer and I wonder if this might be at play. Would love to see pictures of what you're facing.
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