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Grit guide to sanding body filler in classroom
@Aaron Jokela I just finished reading in the classroom the section on grit guide for filler. At the end of the section you have outlined steps and grits for various stages and I wanted a little clarification. I copied this directly from the text on the page so I wouldn’t get it wrong. Metal Prep for Epoxy 1. Media Blast: Glass bead or similar. 2. Cleaning: Red Scotch Brite with metal cleaner (USC 1240-1 or UPOL 2002 or Glasurit 360-4 or similar). 3. 150 Grit: D/A. 4. 80 Grit: D/A. My assumption is that the numbers are the order in which you work through the process and I get why you’d start with media blasting, but why would you use a 150 grit in step 3 and follow that with and 80 grit in step 4. That is contrary to everything that was discussed about sanding fillers directly above.
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Great question - that was a type-o on my part. It should be 80 Grit: D/A. followed by 120 Grit: D/A. This is directly pulled from the epoxy primers I use the most - Lesonal Epoxy Primer - and what the manufacturer, Akzo Nobel, recommends. Hope this helps, cheers
Question regarding paint mixing and matching
Recently, I sprayed the inside of the doors and underside of the hood of my 1986 F150 project truck. It's shadow blue metallic, ford paint code 7B. Back in 2013, I took it to a guy who was going to paint it for me, but he wound not being able to finish the project. I had forgotten that he had purchased paint for the project, and after 13 years, I had forgotten about it, too. It's been in a climate controlled environment since the truck came home, back in 2014. Recently, in preparation for paint the truck myself, I purchased 2 gallons of paint and reducer (same brand as before) and sprayed the underside of the hood and inside of the doors. I know it's just paint, but I was overthinking, and wondered if the older paint was still any good if I ran short, so I put it on the paint shaker for a while and then popped the clips off and opened the first can. There was no sludge in the bottom, so this morning, I sprayed a test panel with the same black sealer as the doors and hood, and then a couple coats of clear. Soooo.... My question for the group, should I mix the 2 older gallons with the 2 newer gallons, or just a couple quarts of older paint with the new paint to make sure I have plenty in case of having to respray something? Would the color change between the inside of the doors and the rest of the truck be noticeable enough to require those to be scuffed and resprayed? I am going to have to fix a screwup on one door anyway, so respraying it wouldn't be any more trouble. What do you guys think? Opinions, advice, suggestions welcome.
Question regarding paint mixing and matching
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I’d keep the old and new base coat separate. If the old base sprays and dries normally I’d use it for your initial coverage coats, then finish with the new base after any nib sanding or other finesse is done. Use it as a ground coat to bring the base close to the final color. It looks like the two colors are pretty different; if you're happy with the new color I'd go with that as the final few coats of basecoat. Above all else - don’t assume one final coat of new paint will establish the color fully; it needs sufficient coverage and multiple coats for full coverage most likely. Just my two cents. Mixing everything together would also work, but 4 gallons of paint is a lot, and I feel you'll have extra once you're done.
Question on slow reducers
We all know what can happen if we use a reducer that is too fast for our environment. It sets up too fast, the base doesn't have time to flow out, blah-blah-blah. But are there any detriments to the base coat for using too slow a reducer? I'm not talking about bugs flying in, or dust having a chance to settle in, or a boss saying, "Get that *&^%$#@ car out of the booth!" I'm curious about the base coat itself. Assume "perfect" conditions. I'm in a hermetically-sealed spray booth, held at a constant 75*F. No dust, no hairs, etc. Just me, my paint gun, my base coat, and a reducer for an 85*F setting. In this environment, is there anything "bad" about using a slow reducer?
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While the basecoat will be smoother, depending on the color, putting the basecoat on too thick can result in metallic pooling and, ultimately, the color not being correct. The easiest way around this is to wait for the base to flash off, and then put down a control/drop coat. All that aside, clearing before the base has adequately flashed can cause other problems like die back, solvent pop, and de-lamination (in extreme cases). The easiest way to tell if it's ready? The base shouldn't be tacky, and there shouldn't be much gloss to it once the solvents have flashed off. Interesting question!
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It'll cause issues sometimes with the basecoat de-laminating from the primer or sealer underneath, but usually, if the primer is good quality and fully bonded to the steel, the base might peel, but the primer/sealer will stay attached. Is the hood on your Ranchero peeling to bare metal? Just curious. Even to this day, lots of people use 1k lacquer primer and I wonder if this might be at play. Would love to see pictures of what you're facing.
Finally - Color
My project truck, El Guapo, is a 1986 F150 that was started back in 2010 and has been in pieces for the last 16 yrs. I took it to a guy who was going to paint it, but things happened, and after it was stripped and sprayed with primer, he moved back to California. I was left with a truck in primer, and no good way to finish it. That was 2014. Fast forward 12 yrs and I have it ready for paint. I built a paint booth and I'm now ready to get it done. A couple days ago, I finished the interior with epoxy and a couple coats of a single stage hot rod black. The next day, I did the inside of the cowl, hit it with seam sealer, and a couple coats of hot rod black. This morning, I sprayed the underside of the hood and the inside of the doors with black SPI Epoxy sealer followed by Tamco Shadow blue metallic (code 7B) and Tamco clearcoat. It's not perfect, but it came out pretty decent, and for my first attempt at painting a vehicle, I'll take it.
Finally - Color
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Wow! Congrats! That's a huge accomplishment and it looks like it's coming along nicely 😎
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@Ron Bell Absolutely!
Fiberglass How far down do I need to sand?
Currently working on a fiberglass bodied dune buggy. Other than the original gel coat, the body has been painted once around 2016. That paint consisted of a layer of primer (definitely not a high build) and a base color + Clear coat. I've started the bodywork, correcting the previous repairs that used a regular body filler rather than actually repairing fiberglass and using a body filler made for fiberglass. The areas that need repair get taken down all the way to bare fiberglass. My question is how far down to I need to sand the other areas. I know that there's no way to see all of the potential problems without removing the latest respray, but can I stop at the original gel coat layer or do I need to strip EVERYTHING down to the bare fiberglass? My original thought was that I'd take it down to the gel coat, cover with an epoxy primer and follow that a high build primer to block it? While I don't want to waste time sanding if it isn't needed, it would be way worse to waste the sanding time, the materials cost, AND additional time to re sand because of a skipped step that causes an issue. Any guidance greatly appreciated.
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I agree with Esa here. The gelcoat layer should be a good base, but make sure to spend lots of time looking for stress cracks that might require more extensive repairs. Those are what show up later, at least what I’ve dealt with
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@Randy Sizemore I do it both ways. Depending on how much you're trying to remove - I like to use a vacuum DA sander without an interface pad with 3M Cubitron paper as I find that works the best. That being said, if the old paint is of the acrylic enamel or acrylic lacquer variety, then it's going to gum up most papers pretty quickly which will slow progress
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